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Cold-fusion demonstration "a success"

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On 23 March 1989 Martin Fleischmann of the University of Southampton, UK, and Stanley Pons of the University of Utah, US, announced that they had observed controlled nuclear fusion in a glass jar at room temperature, and — for around a month — the world was under the impression that the world's energy woes had been remedied. But, even as other groups claimed to repeat the pair's results, sceptical reports began trickle in. An editorial in Nature predicted cold fusion to be unfounded. And a US Department of Energy (DOE) report judged that the experiments did "not provide convincing evidence that useful sources of energy will result from cold fusion."

This hasn't prevented a handful of scientists persevering with cold-fusion research. They stand on the sidelines, diligently getting on with their experiments and, every so often, they wave their arms frantically when they think have made some progress.

Nobody notices, though. Why? These days the mainstream science media wouldn't touch cold-fusion experiments with a barge pole. They have learnt their lesson from 1989, and now treat "cold fusion" as a byword for bad science. Most scientists* agree, and some even go so far as to brand cold fusion a "pathological science" — science that is plagued by falsehood but practiced nonetheless.

[*CORRECTION 29/05/08: It has been brought to my attention that part of this last sentence appears to be unsubstantiated. After searching through past articles I have to admit that, despite it being written frequently, I can find no factual basis that "most scientists" think cold fusion is bad science (although public scepticism is evidently rife). However, there have been surveys to suggest that scientific opinion is more likely divided. According to a 2004 report by the DOE, which you can read here, ten out of 18 scientists thought that the hitherto results of cold-fusion experiments warranted further investigation.]

There is a reasonable chance that the naysayers are (to some extent) right and that cold fusion experiments in their current form will not amount to anything. But it's too easy to be drawn in by the crowd and overlook a genuine breakthrough, which is why I'd like to let you know that one of the handful of diligent cold-fusion practitioners has started waving his arms again. His name is Yoshiaki Arata, a retired (now emeritus) physics professor at Osaka University, Japan. Yesterday, Arata performed a demonstration at Osaka of one his cold-fusion experiments.

Although I couldn't attend the demonstration (it was in Japanese, anyway), I know that it was based on reports published here and here. Essentially Arata, together with his co-researcher Yue-Chang Zhang, uses pressure to force deuterium (D) gas into an evacuated cell containing a sample of palladium dispersed in zirconium oxide (ZrO2–Pd). He claims the deuterium is absorbed by the sample in large amounts — producing what he calls dense or "pynco" deuterium — so that the deuterium nuclei become close enough together to fuse.

So, did this method work yesterday? Here's an email I received from Akito Takahashi, a colleague of Arata's, this morning:

"Arata's demonstration...was successfully done. There came about 60 people from universities and companies in Japan and few foreign people. Six major newspapers and two TV [stations] (Asahi, Nikkei, Mainichi, NHK, et al.) were there...Demonstrated live data looked just similar to the data they reported in [the] papers...This showed the method highly reproducible. Arata's lecture and Q&A were also attractive and active."

I also received a detailed account from Jed Rothwell, who is editor of the US site LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) and who has long thought that cold-fusion research shows promise. He said that, after Arata had started the injection of gas, the temperature rose to about 70 °C, which according to Arata was due to both chemical and nuclear reactions. When the gas was shut off, the temperature in the centre of the cell remained significantly warmer than the cell wall for 50 hours. This, according to Arata, was due solely to nuclear fusion.

Rothwell also pointed out that Arata performed three other control experiments: hydrogen with the ZrO2–Pd sample (no lasting heat); deuterium with no ZrO2–Pd sample (no heating at all); and hydrogen with no ZrO2–Pd sample (again, no heating). Nevertheless, Rothwell added that Arata neglected to mention certain details, such as the method of calibration. "His lecture was very difficult to follow, even for native speakers, so I may have overlooked something," he wrote.

It will be interesting to see what other scientists think of Arata's demonstration. Last week I got in touch with Augustin McEvoy, a retired condensed-matter physicist who has studied Arata's previous cold-fusion experiments in detail. He said that he has found "no conclusive evidence of excess heat" before, though he would like to know how this demonstration turned out.

I will update you if and when I get any more information about the demonstration (apparently there might be some videos circulating soon). For now, though, you can form your own opinions about the reliability of cold fusion.

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  • 1 Pierre Carbonnelle May 24, 2008 6:54 AM

    Why do you refer to an obscure "retired condensed matter physicist" to critique Arata's work ? Isn't there anybody more notable for this review ?

    Here is what Dr. M. R. Srinivasan, former chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission of India said earlier this year: "There is some science here that needs to be understood. We should set some people to investigate these experiments. There is much to be commended for the progress in the work. The neglect should come to an end". (see Srinivasan, M. (2008), "Energy concepts for the 21st century", Current Science 94 (7): 842-843)

  • 2 jon anderson, md May 24, 2008 3:14 PM

    Im very happy to learn of the persistence among scientists who remain actively involved in Cold Fusion research ! Bravo! and I extend my best wishes for confirmation of this acheivement and for further successes!

  • 3 John Braue May 24, 2008 5:00 PM

    Cartwright's article seems rather shallow. Up until a few years, at least (I confess that I haven't looked at the situation recently), "cold" (more strictly speaking piezoelectric) fusion research was going on quite steadily...below the radar of the popular quasi-scientific press. The latter is only interested in spectacular stories that can be spun to imply that cold fusion reactors will be brought on line next week.

  • 4 guy joe May 24, 2008 5:03 PM

    I'm actually curious, is there a scientific basis behind cold fusion's perpetual-motion-like status?

    What I mean is that Perpetual motion, or alchemy to turn lead into gold (using incidentally non nuclear reaction methods) is clearly and trivially wrong. But is there a scientific basis that clearly says that while nuclear fusion in the sun occurs, cold fusion simply can not?

    Or is it simply the stigma from the 80s?

  • 5 Mitch May 24, 2008 6:13 PM

    What a freaking embarrassment, I can't believe your editor actually let you run this story. Their proof for nuclear fusion is "heat", this is simply ridiculous.

  • 6 penny smith May 24, 2008 6:57 PM

    Was radiation ( neutrons gamma rad) detected?
    If not, I find it very hard to believe that
    fusion happened.

  • 7 Laurie Forbes May 24, 2008 7:35 PM

    What happened to the (fusion)neutrons?

  • 8 Reboot May 25, 2008 11:24 AM

    Anyway, it would be a nice new way to produce He.

  • 9 Richard Manning May 25, 2008 11:52 AM

    19 years ago I watched a cold fusion experiment
    done with a titanium rod instead of palladium. It
    looked like a simple electrolisys experiment except they used deuterium hydroxide and a platinum wire, the solution bubbled over night and in the morning the titanium rod swelled to twice its diameter and cracked. we think it was the absorbtion of hydrogen atoms in the chrystal lattice. perhaps they fused into helium.

  • 10 Andrei Kirilyuk May 25, 2008 2:33 PM

    The main problem with all of it, including both "truly promising" and "truly dark" sides of the research in question, is the absence of genuine freedom in the dominating science organisation and practice. With a truly creative - decentralised and "market-like", rather than totalitarian and administrative - system of science organisation, the best attempts would quickly obtain the necessary information and further financial support, while "doubtful" ones would be equally openly subject to clearly expressed doubts (cf. http://arxiv.org/abs/0705.4562 ). And the fact that the stakes are as high as they are in clean AND concentrated (=fusion) energy research should only raise the level and speed of development in the field. Do we really have big problems in open-competition material production system (there where it works)? But the dominating system of knowledge production is not different from an effectively totalitarian, "Soviet" political regime, where everything is secretly decided by a self-designated "Politburo" based on absolutely subjective, often purely selfish, preferences, which is equivalent to the ultimately unfair competition with totally predetermined "winners", irrespective of the actual quality of their results. [The difference of modern "hidden-peer-review" science organisation from the Soviet political system is that the latter at least used to openly announce its structure and principles.]

    That's why we always have only one, provably inefficient scheme of "hot", or "direct", fusion that still gets practically 100 percent of (very big!) investments, despite the fact that it has explicitly FAILED until now with huge, practically unlimited investments in unlimited diversity of attempts during many decades. Definitely, Soviet regime governors were still more responsible than this (and yet it has collapsed!). And they did have their "communist ideas", however bizarre and rotten these might look today. But what is the "ideology" in the name of which the freedom of science development is totally suppressed within a completely liberal "nourishing" society that yells everywhere how badly such new kind of energy (among other problem solutions!) is needed right now? [Let "feminists" believe in the absolute power of "wind-mill solutions", but those who tend to think before they feel ("physicists") should be more serious than that.]

    In response to the above question of guy joe, there is certainly NO physical principles that would limit a possibility of "indirect", or "cold", nuclear reaction realisation (think about e.g. "under-barrier tunneling" or any "catalytic" kind of reaction). But it should be a more "complex", multi-step kind of process, as opposed to simpler, "direct-attack" kind of "hot" fusion reaction. Stars can use the latter eventually because of their huge size (that also finally gives rise to complexity!), but we are in a quite different situation here on Earth, aren't we? (Unless we all want to become a star!) And that shows that if an "ideology" that costs us all our energetic and ecological problem solutions does exist, it's name is "fear of/hatred for complexity" (it's the same even for hot fusion scheme details!). [The fundamental, as well as subjective, origin of Soviet/Russian political "regularity" is not far from it either...]

    It's a good idea to start (hopefully ongoing) information exchange and discussion here, with the largest possible (rather than only narrow professional) public participation. There should be no problem to specify everything apparently "imperfect", but we need to advance NOW, with both efficient (and otherwise ALL) fusion research and science freedom. Why is it so systematically and repeatedly forgotten in modern "developed" and "educated" society how incredibly imperfect all major discoveries and technological advances were in their detailed emergence history?! And the best way to have less mistakes and more advances is the real freedom of research and unlimited openness of information about it. There is no more time to lose for stupid games of subjective ambitions and deceptive "secrecy".

  • 11 Ben Chapman May 25, 2008 2:44 PM

    "What happened to the (fusion)neutrons?"

    For D-D fusion, there neutrons are not produced - you're thinking of D-T fusion

  • 12 T.R. Stone May 25, 2008 2:46 PM

    Excess heat again, but what of the INEVITABLE neutrons that must accompany nuclear fusion? Ye gods and little fishes, people---it's March 23 of 1989 all over again!

    ....Actually, now that I think on it, this is really alot closer to the Ti-D2(g) experiment Francesco Scaramuzzi performed at ENEA in (I think) early April of '89: Take titanium chips, cool with liquid N2, and pressurize the system to 40 atm with D2 gas while looking for neutrons. The detector fired a couple of times, so he announced "confirmation" and actually applied for patents.

    Alas, that turned out to be baloney too...

    Seriously, folks, if there really WAS a significant, real phenomenon here, wouldn't it have been SOLIDLY ESTABLISHED by now? Almost twenty years and counting, and for all the supposed "dilligent research" going on, no concrete results to show for it. Feh. I'd sooner do research into ball lightning...

  • 13 Scott Houdek (Orion105) May 25, 2008 5:17 PM

    Thank goodness for this, someone finally took care the "overlooked" object, I hate too say this, it was a "duh' " moment.
    if the Japanese can do this, Why can't the Americans??????????
    at this time when oil becomes a dirty word in this planet.
    it's about time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, it was so obvious.
    Thanks

  • 14 khurshid ahmed May 25, 2008 7:32 PM

    In the name Allah the most gracious and ever merciful.

    I have deep faith in cold fusion.

  • 15 Duane M. Navarre May 25, 2008 9:24 PM

    To all those who think that Cold Fusion is a hoax
    simply watch "HeavyWatergate - The War on Cold Fusion".

    Also the US Navy's SPAWAR facility at San Diego has
    produced results that indicates that at a minimum
    "something" is going on that is viable and nuclear,
    but not having the exact same characteristics as
    plasma based fusion.

    "The war on Cold Fusion"

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5214938694909002743&q=war+on+cold+fusion&ei=Qso5SLOZDI6E4gLToKXjAw&hl=en

    The US Navy SPAWAR facilities results:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2843914499166355574&q=spawar&ei=oso5SOPPMojS4QKPyvjoAw&hl=en

  • 16 wayne jacob nahuy May 25, 2008 10:28 PM

    perhaps if you superheated the polar regions the people walking on the "beach" would be more incligned to get their feet wet.

  • 17 Mehul Asher May 25, 2008 11:26 PM

    I work at a television affiliate in Salt Lake. We have a cold fusion fetish around these parts ever since the good Dr. Pons.

    I am leaning on our national news service to get some tape out of Japan on this story. Hopefully that email you received is correct about 2 TV stations spraying the event.

    Please keep us updated if you hear of anything else. Hard to believe the story hasn't picked up steam and made its way into a main media outlet by now.

  • 18 Zeek Wolfe May 26, 2008 3:12 AM

    Experimenting with cold fusion is not expensive and all the required ingredients and equipment are readily available. I'm a little confused. If cold fusion showed promise, a defense contractor like Lockheed Martin or General Dynamics would have long since come into the field. This is a dead end, I'm sorry to say.

  • 19 Press to Digitate May 26, 2008 8:30 AM

    Given the thousands of peer reviewed papers that have been published since 1989 reporting affirmative results confirming the existence of "Cold Fusion" (LENR-CANR), its pretty self-indulgent to keep treating it like snake oil, dont you think? The continuous production of heat for fifty (50) hours in - and only in - the Deuterated samples with the catalyst present is all but conclusive. While no energetics are given in the article, my guess is that like most successful Cold Fusion demonstrations, it will evidence several orders of magnitude more surplus energy out than can be accounted for by any conceivable chemical reaction. The "pathological science" is all among those in denial, most of whom are dependent upon federal funding for "hot fusion" programs which, after $200 Billion since the 1950s, have yet, collectively, to produce as much excess heat as Pons & Fleishmann did during their experiment.

  • 20 Rman May 26, 2008 3:50 PM

    It's shoddy logic to state that you have fusion without any neutron detectors ... Furthermore, the neutron detectors must be capable of separating neutrons that exist naturally from those produced in the fusion reaction. By the logic stated here, steam rising from my soup is creating fusion ... if it is, I call dibs on getting a patent on it!

  • 21 Zephir May 26, 2008 3:52 PM

    If the proof for nuclear fusion isn't "heat", then the another explanation is "perpetuum mobile", which is even much more ridiculous. After all, we know about neutron-less fusion as well (Lithium-6 and Deuterium as an example, where the neutron production is highly suppressed). After all - who cares about theory? We are reqiring heat, not the neutrons.

    For me is quite strange, why such simple tabletop experiment cannot be replicated during 17 years by mainstream scientist.

  • 22 Virinix May 26, 2008 4:06 PM

    @Mitch: The goal with cold fusion IS to generate heat. It is the only possible outcome using fluids. Take a regular high-temperature fusion reaction, such as the TFTR (Tokamak Fusion Test Reactor), which is nothing more than superheating a few components into a well-magnetically-contained ring or sphere of plasma, that of which will induce natural fusion once the required temperatures are met (put very simplistically). The excess energy is used boil water, which is then run through optimized steam turbines. Same end-magic of a fission reactor. Same applies to cold fusion, the goal is the generation of heat to boil water. In the case of their experiments, if indeed fusion is occuring and generating even a little amount of heat, the doors are opened to optimize and enhance the mathematics until enough heat could be generated to achieve the end effect.

    So ultimately, after some analysis of the chemicals quoted in the procedure, it does appear to hold logical weight. But considering I can't count on all my fingers and toes how many cold fusion "misunderstandings" I read about every 6 months I'm going to lean in favor of Achem's razor.

  • 23 Brian Kelleher May 26, 2008 4:31 PM

    As everyone is saying, you need to observe fast neutrons to confirm nuclear fusion. These neutrons with 14.1 MeV are no joke, and need to be slowed, and counted using maybe Boron 10.
    Best wishes to the research though, if it works it will be great, but odds are, this is bad.

  • 24 Fred May 26, 2008 4:32 PM

    I do not assume that the temperature readings are the only measured data. But, if more data were captured, it should at least be mentioned what data elements were part of the experiment plan. And perhaps a link to all the data would be helpful in convincing those of us who are skeptical that perhaps this demonstration is more than mere alchemy.

  • 25 Martin May 26, 2008 5:03 PM

    ~400 years ago, the Earth wasn't round and there was a "edge" of the world
    ~300 years ago, there was no America
    ~100 years ago, humans would never be able to fly, ever and everything that could be invented was already invented
    ~80 years there was no such things as relativity
    ~50 years ago, nano was only a myth
    ~30 years ago, Internet was a dream from 2-3 university

    I may have the timeline a little wrong, but you really do seams to lack anything about research. If you think research and breakthrough are done with "never", "can't" and "impossible" mindset, then it's sad to say, you should switch domain. That's exactly the reason that made me sick of science: majority seams to have forgotten that EVERYTHING is a theory. Correct statement would be: it is not possible "with our current knowledge" or "Based on currents theory" it is not possible.

    This guy may found a way to make a lasting heat out of a reaction but may not have done a fusion, this is true. But at least they do exactly what is science: trying to figure NEW things.

  • 26 Carlos Fabuel May 26, 2008 5:12 PM

    it seems another bluff

  • 27 D HItz May 26, 2008 5:46 PM

    The US Navy produced a report in 2007 German Science Journal "Naturwissenschaften" that presents "additional evidence, namely, the emission of highly energetic charged particles emitted from the Pd/D electrode..."

    In other words, the US government is doing research as well and is able to reproduce the results (Link).

    Of course nobody calls it "cold fusion" anymore... because then they will be crucified (just like Fleischman and Pons) by those vested in the "pre-Gallilean, flat-earth" conception of nuclear physics.

    If you want an understanding of the current state of knowledge on physics, just look at dark matter: Something you can't observe and doesn't interact but that is infinitely pervasive and composes 90% of the universe... Sounds a heck of a lot like Aristotle's "ether" to me. That'd be zero advancement in 2300 years.

    We're still banging on drums and sacrificing to the gods as far as our knowledge of the physical universe goes, and yet there are those who would write-off something that *ACTUALLY OCCURS* as impossible without ever bothering to understand it.

    The rigid orthodoxy and "Inquisition" really need to stop.

  • 28 Brent May 26, 2008 5:57 PM

    I am going to have to throw the bullshit flag on this one. This is the problem with media these days, someone makes a far out claim and people read one article on the internet and assume it is 100% fact. I will believe this when it has been repeated and confirmed by more scientists and until that day happens it is pure bullshit. You people need to be a little more skeptical.

  • 29 Rahein May 26, 2008 6:09 PM

    You people seem to be ignoring the other 3 experiments that showed no heat or residual heat. H chemistry should be the same regardless of the isotope, so using H or D shouldn't matter.

    Regardless, excess heat is being created and that makes an energy source.

    I think this is promising research that needs to be perused.

  • 30 Charles Pooley May 26, 2008 6:20 PM

    Where are the neutrons? Any of the reactions involving deuterium or tritium produce neutrons. If there are reports of measurable heat, there must be enough neutrons to require leaving the room or providing shielding.

    Neutrons are easy to detect. Are there any? If not, no fusion.

  • 31 willie May 26, 2008 6:20 PM

    If this IS real, look for the scientist to suddenly disappear, or go into hiding, and have this event debunked by so- called experts. Every time an earth shaking innovation such as this has occurred in the past 40 years, it is crushed. Good luck to this man. His life is in danger.

  • 32 dan May 26, 2008 6:44 PM

    pressure causes heat that was the byproduct

    I believe fusion can be achieved through resonance

    our system is electric

  • 33 John May 26, 2008 7:19 PM

    Well, hats off if they really did it. Would love to see some more details.

  • 34 David May 26, 2008 8:02 PM

    This thread is the very reason why science should be left to the scientists. While people may like to believe that the works of scientists like Fleischmann are ignored, this is simply not true. Fleischmann, and the rest of the electrochemistry department at Southampton are actually well regarded in their field. In fact a popular textbook on Electrochemistry was written by the Southampton group. This report will go through the same peer review process that all other scientific publications go through. So all of you conspiracy junkies can sleep easy knowing that this guy will get his justice.

  • 35 bman May 26, 2008 9:01 PM

    cold fusion? not holding out much hope for this. at best it will be a novelty. the holy grail of power sources that propels man to next stage of technological evolution? please. get a clue. research is going into tokamaks and ICF because thats where the theory has directed us. theory that has predicted the suns structure, helped construct consistent cosmological models (nucelosynthesis) and unfortunately given us the power to destroy ourselves.

    its not willful ignorance/scientific peer pressure that keeps phsycists sceptical. its the big big mile wide craters in alaska and the big yellow plasma ball in the sky that does that.

  • 36 Azradesh May 26, 2008 10:36 PM

    The reaction of some on this site really boggles my mind. Who cares if it's cold fusion or not, we're trying to find a better way harness energy. All that matter is if they can get more energy out of it then they need to put in. We can argue about what it is and isn't later.

  • 37 Martin Nogueras May 26, 2008 11:47 PM

    Well I'm not a Physics Scientist, just an ordynary teenager, but I believe this " Cold Fusion " Paradigma is our solution to resolve the "Conflict of Universal Eergy we need to have a better world, to stop pollution and to save ourselfs and our generation over the existance. After Seeing the Documentary of " Heavy Watergate The War on Cold Fusion " posted by Duane M. Navarre( Thanks!) I have another point of view about this whole thing... Water is the answer to most of our problems in the modern era?

    Well I believe " Cold Fusion Is ", May be is too late to stop the World becoming a Polutant Enigma, by Recycling, Reusing, Using Hybrid Cars(But Hybrid Cars use Electric Energy and electrict energy comes out of Burning Petrolium...) may be We people can't do as mush , but Scientist Can , as I seem in the past years, they really can! Cold Fusion migth be our answer to our problem once and for all...

    Thanks! I hope they keep foward to this "Cold Fusion" Project! I will be involed in this some day too, I promise!

  • 38 Greg Toulson May 27, 2008 1:08 AM

    I really can't see whats so wrong with airing on the side of caution with claims like these.
    Yes, it would be brilliant if they have achived cold fusion but theres a reason this stuff gets peer reviewed.

    Even neutron emmission wouldn't be totally conclusive... Interestingly there are shrimp that can snap there claws in such a manner to create an air bubble to implode, this gives off a huge flash of light (stunning there prey)and faint neutron emission...
    So that'd mean shrim 1 humans 0 in cold fusion stakes if neutron emission is your only critia

  • 39 Tiak May 27, 2008 5:29 AM

    Okay, everyone is talking about neutron detection, which, of course, makes sense all things considered. Heat seems like a rather poor indicator after all... But isn't the more intuitive thing to to just to check for the presence of Helium-3?... I'm supposing this supposed variant of D-D fusion still creates He-3 and not He-4, but shouldn't we be able to notice either one?...

    Also, Martin, try to use accurate numbers so you don't look like a dumbass.... 400 years ago the world was round, the world has been round for a good 2000 years (though no one lived on the other side back then) and 300 years ago there was an America, in fact, there were several (hence, the Americas), there have been Americas for 600 years. 100 years ago a number of humans had flown, they simply hadn't used powered winged aircraft. Human flight via kites has existed for a good 1500 years, via gliders 1000 years, and via balloons, 200 years. Relativity was an innovation of a bit over 100 years ago, the same period as the Wright brothers' experimentation, I have no clue where your 80 number came from... You're right about "nano" but useful nanotechnology is still pretty much mythical. The internet number is close enough for me, though 40 would've been a much better number...

  • 40 gernos May 27, 2008 12:56 PM

    Several comments here by people with apparently good academic credentials display a woeful lack of understanding or basic quantum mechanics. Whatever is going in Arata's and other Cold Fusion experiments, it certainly isn't kinetic collisions between deuterons, since the Coulomb barrier is insurmountable at thermal energies. In fact, as Julian Schwinger argued several years ago, the most obvious explanation for Fleischmann-type anomalies is some sort of quantum process like collective dipole-dipole interaction between deuteron sites in the metal. If this is indeed the case, the last thing you would expect to see would be short wavelength radiation like neutrons and gammas, since any quantum amplitude distributed over many atomic sites forbids quanta with wavelengths much shorter than the coherence length.
    Shallow thinking has never solved riddles in science like this one.

  • 41 Akshay May 27, 2008 1:37 PM

    Does it matter whether it is fusion or not. If it can be concluded that amount of energy produced was more than that went in to the system, then its a good thing.
    History has witnessed many such inventions/discoveries where scientists went about hunting for 'A' and ended up with 'B' in hand and latter being nothing less of revolutionary!

    Even if its a failure, I am sure we will know about one more way of how 'cold fusion' or 'energy source' cant be implemented.. ( sorry cant remember the exact saying/sayer, but i think you got the idea).

    Hats of to the scientists who, despite all the naysayers, continue the researches, while 99% others live to just eat, sleep and have sex (or watch porn).

  • 42 Jordan Greenaway May 27, 2008 2:24 PM

    This research it ridiculous! No way has cold fusion been demonstrated. Not possible; we all know that.

  • 43 JP May 27, 2008 3:54 PM

    Who cares if it's fusion or not! I think it is, based on the nuclear products scientists are reporting, but in reality, we need the heat, which cannot be denied. So call it "cold heat" or whatever you want. If it can generate heat to drive a process to generate electricity, we should see if it is commercially viable.

  • 44 Thom Quinn May 27, 2008 4:05 PM

    My question: why not go through the normal peer-review process? I am skeptical of any cold fusion researchers who choose the "Pons and Fleischmann" route of public demonstrations instead of crafting a well-documented scientific paper for a periodical like Nature, Science, etc.

  • 45 Devin May 27, 2008 4:27 PM

    Thom Quinn, they have already published their research before doing this demonstration (it even links it in this article). If they are really on to something, my guess is that the demonstration is to get them more funding so they can do additional science and get more conclusive proof.

    Also, why do people assume high-energy neutrons have to be produced by this process? If there really is a fusion process between 2 deuterium, it clearly isn't the same kind of thermonuclear fusion we're familiar with. Who says this peculiar reaction can't produce helium-4?

  • 46 Chris J of Ypsi May 27, 2008 5:16 PM

    (Disclaimer: I am in no way, shape, or form a physicist. The piece of paper I got from Michigan State ~20 years ago says something about Chemistry... But I've been an armchair follower of fusion research for at least that long.)

    After reading people's comments above, I see I'm not the only one who thought, "Oh, God...another Fleischman/Pons deal..." And the arguments seem to be the same. "Where are the neutrons? Where's the radiation?" The one thing everyone seems to agree upon, though, is that if--by ANY mechanism--you are physically fusing D2, your reaction product must necessarily be some isotope of He. Otherwise it's not really fusion, is it?

    However, now it seems there are folks who have the more charitable view of "Hey, so maybe it's not 'fusion' per se, but an energy source is an energy source." So much the better! (Assuming, as someone above pointed out, that this isn't simply heat generated by pressure or the D2 "dissolving" into the Pd.)

    My limited understanding of such things, though, suggests that the solution for proof would be simple: HOOK UP A GC/MS TO THE WHOLE D*MN THING!!

    Mind you, I haven't been out of school so long to know that setting up such experiments can often be a dodgy process under even the best of circumstances. There may be practical/procedural obstacles of which I'm not aware, but assuming whatever difficulties could be overcome, it doesn't seem like it'd be a huge stretch to have a GC right there or a mass spec. nearby when you do the reaction. From there I would think it'd be really easy to say "OK, see here? Pure deuterium in...OK, now we run the reaction for a little while (some number of hours)...And now we open this wee valve, run it through our handy GC/MS here and...Voila! Look at that! Helium!!"

  • 47 Kyle Manjaro May 27, 2008 6:42 PM

    Cold Fusion suffers from being branded a "heresy" by all three sets of "church fathers" and thus, only quietly remarked, has been lined up with a growing number of new ways of generating and harnessing energy that threaten overlapping vested interests academic (funding, standing), political (social and global orders), and commercial (money, control). Note, the Department of Energy - to public knowledge - has classified more than 5,000 energy related discoveries and patents (not all discoveries go to patent), some ~70% arising from private concerns. [Google "DOE energy patents classified suppressed"]. Our future's in hock to those who want more of the past, not more of the future.

    When I read Jon Cartwright's post and all of the comments after it, it made me again realize that shiny, new, smart, and whatever and however science folks act and talk, science and religion have an awful lot in common. They are both founded on sets of sanctioned beliefs (believe or you get sanctioned in ways you WILL understand). And though they claim different but ever more overlapping domains, the two pursuits differ only in their methods of how they go about affirming beliefs, refuting disbeliefs in their beliefs and belief systems, and in the making of claims of connections between what they, respectively, practice, and the results that practice results in. Their "business" is different, but the secular ways they go about managing it are very much cut from the same cloth.

    In terms of how the two explain and engage reality - and in the case of religion, what lies before and beyond reality - as one aspiring crackpot to remake one of the faiths remarked: "Science alone of all the subjects contains within itself the lesson of the danger of belief in the infallibility of the greatest teachers in the preceding generation....Learn from science that you must doubt the experts. As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way. Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts."

    The so-called 'crackpot' was Richard Feynman, pioneering Nobel Prize winning physicist writing in one of his several books, "The Pleasure of Finding Things Out" (Perseus Books, New York, 1999), pp. 186-187. He politely neglected to mention that the lesson is regularly skipped and routinely suppressed in terms of academic blessings and institutional funding, while zealously encouraged to be ignored by various prosperous entities founded on keeping lessons - and behaviours - as they are.

    In our modern civilization of the 20th and 21st century the two faiths (as 'faiths' they are, though different in their results), are identical twins when it comes to "threats" to out the core faiths. The church will excoriate and excommunicate you, while the scientists will cut your funding and trash your job prospects and reputation. Worse still are commercial and political vested interests.

    When, as was the case, oil was $90.00 a barrel (I know, that's only a rear-view mirror historical point of interest now, though from only a few months back!), one of the bigger oil firms (meaning the gas in your tank, plastics, food, jet fuel, et al) was publicly admitting (okay, financial reporting) that after accounting for all costs and operating expenses - including exploring, research, development, and good deeds - they were booking - wait for it - 10 Billion (that is a "B" for 'bullion' as in 'Gold Bullion') dollars of PROFIT every 90 days, there's not far to look as to why 'Hot' nuclear fusion will remain politically funded forever unless suddenly it turns out to work 'real soon' (not in another 30 years), while stuff like, perhaps, cold fusion, that may demonstrate realities today, will be roundly ignored.

    [Ditto all those billion dollar a year plus research endeavors which spawn dependent ecologies of jobs, funding, reputations, and more, and which, like Pharmaceuticals, have a business model essentially predicated on progress in reliefs, and not on round-house cures - (what we will do next with the "peace" dividend (funding) now that the "War on X" has been won? How about another war? How about a perpetual war? Yay!) And so it goes.]

    [10 Billion dollars of PROFIT means that roughly each and every man, woman, child, and baby in the US (no exceptions please - the 300 millionth American was born in October 2006) pays this one company roughly 37 cents a day for profit each and every day (Sundays included), for all of those 90 days - it doesn't sound so bad in isolation does it ?!*@$!]

    I say - from all the work that's going on and been going on Japan, China, Germany, France, Russia, and elsewhere, on Cold Fusion - that quite a few of our best 'crackpots' have seen not just smoke, but fire. And they think it's Hot!

  • 48 Andrei Kirilyuk May 27, 2008 6:53 PM

    Thom Quinn said: "My question: why not go through the normal peer-review process? I am skeptical of any cold fusion researchers who choose the "Pons and Fleischmann" route of public demonstrations instead of crafting a well-documented scientific paper for a periodical like Nature, Science, etc."

    Thom, Thom... You and other "optimists" about "standard and good" way of modern science operation, even if you never had a chance to try it yourself, that "standard" way with a non-standard (just ANY really NEW) scientific result, today there are even too many professional, easily accessible publications everywhere showing that it's not at all OK with the standard scientific procedure, which is objectively in a state of deep corruption and degradation, while "peer review" (which is a closed, not open, process) is but the best, evident way to stop any novelty in science (would you, Thom, be particularly motivated to vote, in a secret voting procedure, for a potential but real danger from your worst professional competitors to your personal professional career, all your results, present and future reputation?!). You can have a look e.g. at a recent collection of papers by professional scientists ( http://www.universal-publishers.com/book.php?method=ISBN&book=1599429934 , http://archivefreedom.org/freedom/againsttide.pdf ) to see what's really going on in fundamental science today, where even "open-access" electronic archives often reject professional papers in an arbitrary way, including those that have passed a peer review procedure and even have already been published in a scientific journal!

    In addition to that very special today's "climate" in science in general, there is an objectively much greater excitement and related communication difficulty in those "hot" research fields (just look at the number of comments on this post as compared to other ones from the same blog!), which leads to those "extraordinary" communication ways (whether justified or not in a particular case). After all, this "forced" increase of public attention is rather good for science (including its "internal problems" - the public has the right and should know them!). You can recall a similar situation in high-temperature superconductivity, a relatively successful research decorated with Nobel Prizes, where exactly the same methods of scientific result communication had been used, even despite the following successful "usual" publications in Nature and elsewhere.

    There's simply nothing "usual" in genuine science quest, in any sense, why is it so difficult to understand that major "underlying" fact? It's only the explicitly useless enterprise of official science, with its close-to-zero efficiency (no real problem solutions for years) that could impose such a strange idea about the "normal" spirit of science as that of a dull, repetitive process with its reliable "standard" procedures. In fundamental science researchers send a challenge to the whole Creation of the World as such ("natural" or "divine", it doesn't change the scale!), or else they are just bad professionals. What can be "usual" there? [When a (genuine) scientist eats his pizza, he is not really different from another pizza-eater, but when he tries to "bake" his own professional "pizza", also known as Universe (e.g. "artificial star" in our case), he would rather differ essentially from even the most extra-ordinary usual pizza baker (with all due respect to this and other indispensable professions). Maybe fundamental science is so special just because it's not directly indispensable...] So the dominating priesthood has always tried to burn us at stakes, using first "hot", later "cold", and now often "electronic" processes. And despite all the apparent differences, both their desire to get rid of us and our feelings never change: they are just slowly and painfully taking your life and severely hampering humanity's development...

    Another, intrinsically creative way of doing science is certainly possible, but only at a superior level of science organisation ( http://arxiv.org/abs/0705.4562 ) and I'm afraid human consciousness itself... And it's not about anything like subjective preferences: with a truly "open" science system, we would already have a number of WORKING and actively competing fusion schemes close to full-scale energy production, while today we have just NONE of them and very uncertain perspectives to have any in a foreseeable future. Needless to say, more remote future perspectives are without interest in this case (and for many other, equally "burning" problems!).

  • 49 Biology PhD May 27, 2008 9:07 PM

    Well, I think this is either fraud or incompetence, but there is a tiny chance that this old Japanese guy is up to something. Now, as far as your comments about registering neutrons and/or gamma radiation go- are you sure that they would be possible to detect? Even a small scale fusion would create enourmous amounts of energy, and yet here they are observing only some pathetic 70 degrees C. That means the yield is extremely tiny (if any), and although I don't know much about neutron/gamma detection, I suspect the amount of neutrons and/or gamma would be too small measure, woudn't it?

  • 50 Vasya Pupkin May 27, 2008 9:57 PM

    Just my 2 cents:
    for D(p,n)+D(p,n)->He(2p,2n)reaction
    there is no source of neutrons, unlike D(p,n)+T(p,2n)->He(2p,2n)+n.

  • 51 Gary May 28, 2008 12:41 PM

    Fantastic news about time LENR has some good press coverage.
    I've been following the LENR/cold fusion for a while now. It essentially had a very unfortunate start. The Pons/Fleischmann experiment was hard to reproduce but has been reproduced many times in the last 15yrs. Any decent physicist worth his salt would conclude from reading through the mass of experiments done that
    - 1) There is something going on,
    2) No we don't understand it
    3) and we need to revise our current understanding of nuclear fusion to embrace it.
    You have to remember we are a primitive species our science is just blossoming if you think we have little more to discover where do you think we will be in a thousand yrs?

    LENR has been dogged by bad PR, arrogant scientists unwilling to even listen to new experimental evidence, a large hot fusion contingent with a lot to lose (who make up a fair percentage of the US Dpt of E. Small wonder they found little experimental evidence to back up LENR in the early nineties) and journalists unwilling to do proper research.
    The whole debacle has shown severe weaknesses in both the press and scientist in addressing new discoveries.
    It quite simple if there is experimental evidence for something new try to understand it. Do not with your limited understanding of reality dismiss it out of hand.
    Also the D of E report in 2007, yes they did a second report because over 3000 papers have now been written of Cold Fusion, concluded that it was worth looking into.......

  • 52 alexf2000 May 28, 2008 12:47 PM

    Can they modify reaction by adding some tritium to produce neutrons? If that is possible they will have neutron radiation and proof of cold fusion.

  • 53 NCyder May 28, 2008 1:21 PM

    People, there is lots of research going on in the areas of using metal and organic-metal lattices as catalysts to accomplish strange and wonderful things. Take the observations for what they are worth: data points ... and move on ...

    Until someone fully characterizes the "reaction" that is occurring here, quit worrying about a dang label and panting like lapdogs every time the words 'cold' and 'fusion' appear in the same sentence.

  • 54 masuo May 28, 2008 7:12 PM

    although major Japanese media were there to witness the experiment, non of them actually spread his results to the Japanese public. only the faithful bloggers are spreading the news right now...

  • 55 Edwin Pell May 29, 2008 1:32 AM

    Someone asked why go with a press conference rather than a peer-reviewed paper. Maybe for fun. The guy is old and retired. (retired) He does not need to follow the stuffy rules anymore. (old) Hey he only has so long to live good for him get all the fun out of it you can. Is it real? Well, only a repeat of the experiment by one or several others will tell. I certainly hope it is real.

  • 56 ZEPHIR May 29, 2008 12:00 PM

    The role of peer review is overestimated in general, it just slows down the whole process. In addition, peer review can't say something relevant about subject here. On the contrary, direct visit of lab can say a lot about experimental conditions and their reproducibility.

  • 57 albert alberts May 29, 2008 1:50 PM

    This is NOT a science-via-press demonstration.
    Arata worked for at least 20 years on fusion and the demonstration is based on numerous peer reviewed papers.
    The key thing is: helium-4 above background is there in precision mass spec (already for more then 10 years), there should be no neutrons but gamma rays.
    But they are not there either.The problem with cold (piezoelectric?) fusion was/is reproducability like with semiconductors earlier. It seems Arata has taken this hurdle.
    And hot tokamak fusion could be a total howax/fraud as well.It is a scientific DUTY to look in to this with an oilprice of going to 200$per barrel.

  • 58 leol May 29, 2008 5:05 PM

    If you read the media articles carfully, there never stands that the scientist said it would be cold fusion, only that an interesting phenomenon happend.
    Maybe it's for something or not, If then somebody will find in future an use for it, or maybe a way to enlarge the effect.
    All that this experiment is for - if not totally faked - that knowldge was created, and we can ask more interesting questions.

  • 59 Prof. Brian Josephson May 29, 2008 5:46 PM

    I do like Jordan Greenaway's satirical comment (it was meant as satire, I assume?): "This research is ridiculous! No way has cold fusion been demonstrated. Not possible; we all know that." In fact, we can't know that 'cold fusion' is impossible, as we don't know how the nanostructure environment might change things.

    To clear up some misconceptions: Cartright's news item on the subject, at physorg.com, makes it clear that He4 production was also claimed in the demonstration. Thus the fusion claim was not based purely on excess heat, as some criticism here has assumed. Embarrassment is therefore out of place, and in my opinion it is those who have fiercely fought the cold fusion idea for nearly 2 decades now who should, and doubtless in due course will, be embarrassed.

    Finally, to clear up a point of nuclear physics, there is a neutron-producing reaction with just deuterium:

    D + D = He3 + n

    and this has in fact been observed in CF expts., but compared with

    D + D = He4 + heat

    the reaction rate is very slow and the fusion products difficult to observe.

  • 60 Pierre Carbonnelle May 29, 2008 8:59 PM

    I invite all the skeptics on this blog to go to the cold fusion article on wikipedia and make any corrections that they feel necessary.

  • 61 John S May 30, 2008 5:07 AM

    To the naysayers, regardless of what evidence you may think you have to the contrary, declaring impossibilities is a fools errand. Someone will always find an exception to any rule presented.

    Attempting to declare impossibilities merely means you have closed your mind, and will be noted along side those who declared Heavier than air flight, Faster than sound travel, and other concepts, impossible.

  • 62 Prof. Brian Josephson May 30, 2008 12:50 PM

    Apologies for minor error in my posting above -- the news item I gave a link to there, mentioning He4 production, was written by Lisa Zyga not Jon Cartwright.

  • 63 Jon Allen May 30, 2008 12:52 PM

    This may indeed be a true example of cold fusion.
    It does not prove the viability of energy generation from cold fusion, or any other useful application. It is, none the less, a scientifically interesting demonstration.

  • 64 Prof. Brian Josephson May 30, 2008 5:14 PM

    Re the article's 'CORRECTION 29/05/08', sad to say Jon was probably right the first time when he said the majority of scientists think CF is 'bad science', the hostile comments in this blog being fairly representative of what the average scientist will tell you should you bring the subject up.

    It proved quite easy to spread the propaganda that cold fusion was 'the fiasco of the century' (a phrase used to great effect by one of the attackers of cold fusion, nuclear physicist John Huizenga, in a title of a book that proved highly influential), while the understanding that this judgment was probably misconceived has, given the way competent research in this area is routinely blocked by the major journals, very largely had to be spread into a critical scientific community by word of mouth only (to read more about the obstructive mechanisms, see my lecture 'Pathological Disbelief').

    I was pleased to see this blog included in my weekly posting from Physics World, which may mean that many physicists will look at it. Will it lead to pressure to accelerate the development of this process (which some people are developing already at this time) for the benefit of mankind? I certainly hope so!

  • 65 A. J. Meyer, II May 31, 2008 1:15 AM

    I totally agree with the esteemed Nobel Laureate, Professor Josephson.

    Too many scientists appear quite willing to sacrifice the search for truth and condemn those that do earnestly search for truth, in order to remain "safely" in the security of an established herd.

    Close proximity of the nuclei is all that is needed for DD or DT fusion.

    See: The Unification or Interconnection of the Gravitational Constant G to the Electron Charge e and to Other Fundamental Parameters Interlinked with Equations Describing the Strong and Weak Forces in Terms of the Same Fundamental Parameters via a Nonstationary Axi-Symmetric Space-Time and Corresponding Thermodynamics; Physics Essays Volume 8 Number 4 December 1995, http://www.physicsessays.com/toc.asp?nmb=08

    See section 7, pages 559-560 :

    HYPOTHESIS: A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CLASSICAL ELECTROMAGNETIC VACUUM AND THE STRONG FORCE

    Wherein the connection is applied to the calculation of the binding energies of Deuterium and Helium 4

  • 66 Adam Crowl May 31, 2008 6:11 AM

    Hi All

    Finally one sensible comment - that deuterium fusion can and does make helium-4 and NO neutrons. Is that so hard to imagine or understand. Crammed inside a metal lattice deuterium atoms aren't smashing around like in Sun-hot plasma - totally different scenarios for side reaction probabilities. SO stop the "no neutron, no fusion" mantra now - it ain't goin' to save the old paradigm.

  • 67 albert alberts May 31, 2008 3:58 PM

    For persisting skeptics: feel free to read through the "LENR" Library(Rothwell/Storms) and the reports of 15/16 "ICCF"-meetings since 1990. The late Schwinger was right: the "deafening silence" in the west after Fleischmann-Pons was likely to be filled from the east (Japan, Arata, China, Xhong Li "resonant tunneling").Now it is. One skeptic remark from the old days: "I believe in cold fusion if they make a cup of tea". Arata now will move to a 70 gram run with Pd.ZrO2 (the demonstration involved 24.4 gr),that should be enough for a cup of tea. The alloy was previously tested in closed palladium-tubes in electrolytic runs at SRI Menlo Park and ENEA-Frascati in Italy. M.Miles (Navy, now LaVerne CA), M.McKubre SRI a.o already saw helium in their runs in the 90s.
    [of course Science and Nature received papers for peer review but all of them were returned unreviewed.The Internet saved cold fusion]
    Brave cold fusioneers on their way to a shining hour?
    I hope so.

  • 68 Stephen June 1, 2008 8:37 AM

    Of course they have to demonstrate a non chemical / non basic physics reaction. The transformation of hydrogen to helium would do it. This surely can be measured . The transformation of matter into energy in this can be theoretically derived and compared to the heat gain that is measured in the experiment. This all seems to be patently obvious. Why isn't it being done and published?

  • 69 Harley June 1, 2008 12:06 PM

    QUOTE Nevertheless, Rothwell added that Arata neglected to mention certain details, such as the method of calibration. UNQUOTE

    Without careful initial equipment calibration, this entire is NOT reproducible because no reliable baseline can be established for output metrics.
    In otherwords, the results would be INTERPRETED in the eyes of the observer and rather than without subjectivity by data alone.

  • 70 albert alberts June 1, 2008 12:21 PM

    The only flaw I can think of is that the helium-4 comes from an alpha-emitting isotopic metal (palladium,zirconium)impurity. The key question is then: was the PdZrO2-catalyst checked for helium-4 content BEFORE deuterium was admitted?

  • 71 Reiska June 1, 2008 12:35 PM

    There are some photos from the presentation here: http://newenergytimes.com/news/2008/29img/Arata-Demo-Photos-AT.htm

    It seems that they are claiming to have detected generation of He-4. They also present a hypothesis of the mechanics of the process, in which two deuterium molecules are squeezed into a gap in the Pd lattice.

    I hope this can be reproduced, but I would assume that at least some gamma radiation should be measurable from the process.

  • 72 Alastair Carnegie June 1, 2008 5:26 PM

    Quoting from the entry on 'Pathological Skepticism' in Wikipedia :-

    While a Professor of Sociology at Eastern Michigan University in 1987, Truzzi gave the following description of pseudoskeptics:

    In science, the burden of proof falls upon the claimant; and the more extraordinary a claim, the heavier is the burden of proof demanded. The true skeptic takes an agnostic position, one that says the claim is not proved rather than disproved. He asserts that the claimant has not borne the burden of proof and that science must continue to build its cognitive map of reality without incorporating the extraordinary claim as a new "fact." Since the true skeptic does not assert a claim, he has no burden to prove anything. He just goes on using the established theories of "conventional science" as usual. But if a critic asserts that there is evidence for disproof, that he has a negative hypothesis --saying, for instance, that a seeming psi result was actually due to an artifact--he is making a claim and therefore also has to bear a burden of proof.

    Truzzi attributed the following characteristics to pseudoskeptics:

    The tendency to deny, rather than doubt
    Double standards in the application of criticism
    The making of judgments without full inquiry
    Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate
    Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments
    Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.'
    Presenting insufficient evidence or proof
    Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof
    Making unsubstantiated counter-claims
    Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence
    Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it

  • 73 RocketFuel June 2, 2008 2:51 AM

    Kyle Manjaro quotes Feynmann. I'd prefer to quote Carl Sagan: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." The posts above are of two kinds: the "I (don't) believe it" kind can be ignored; belief is not part of the scientific method. The second kind suggests, "To prove this, Arata can show the presence of x", where x might be neutrons, or helium, or whatever. Those are the kinds of posts that make sense to me. Arata is making an extraordinary claim, but the papers quoted are muddled and don't provide the simple evidence that would be required to prove his case. The demo may have been fun for TV cameras, but no scientist will take it seriously precisely because it lacked the kind of straightforward evidence a properly skeptical audience demands.

    Another Sagan quote: "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." Fleishmann, Pons and Arata so far are following the path blazed by Bozo.

    -Ed.

  • 74 Martin A. King June 2, 2008 4:46 AM

    Having read a sampling of literature on early CF repeats, I was struck by some consistent features. Researchers found trouble in explaining why some palladium samples seemed to produce heat (presumably) excess, while others failed. They also consistently succeeded in showing the effect only for heavy water, not with regular hydrogen. Finally - a frustration to myself - no mention was made of analyzing the isotopic composition of the various palladium sources. My observation is that since palladium has a large number of naturally occurring stable isotopes, we should inquire as to the possibility of a nuclear reaction involving the Pd nucleus itself. (apparently not, according to Arata's theory, but I have yet to see that hypothesis in writing in my limited searches)

    My own reason for optimism as to Arata's work is well defined:

    The early experimenters (beginning with Pons and Fleischmann) did not have a mechanism in mind at first publication. This is a notably new improvement by Arata, as his posited confinement mode for deuterium (nano-cluster related) explains the lack of sample-to-sample repeatability in experiments using bulk palladium metal.

    There is still some work to be done to establish how the reaction's energy could be coupled to the lattice instead of released as radiation. For any who have not yet run into it, one explanation compares it to the Mossbauer effect - established long ago as a real phenomenon and put to practical use (Mossbauer spectroscopy).

    M. King

  • 75 Mayurdas Bholanath June 2, 2008 7:48 AM

    Look at it this way. Setting aside presence or lack of any heat out put, if the cold fusion idea could be worked out to consistently produce excess neutrons from deuterium (say in heavy water), then one could have a "table top" source of neutrons. This immediately brings out "proliferation" concerns. For example, out-of-reactor conversion of Thorium into high isotopic purity U-233 might become feasible quite easily, possibly avoiding chemical reprocessing altogether. No wonder most governments want to suppress others from doing research in this field while they themselves may be doing it secretly. I believe, long ago (circa 1960s), Dr. W.B Lewis's Intense Neutron Generator Project was dumped like hot ton of bricks, probably because of this very same concern although the word "proliferation" was perhaps not prolific then. ING is now re-born as ADS with a lot of emphasis placed on proliferation resistance.

  • 76 BaldEagle June 2, 2008 8:00 PM

    Well, isn't it a cherished tradition of our ever ignorant humanity to crucify anybody who has the guts to go against the mainstream? The only problem is that "mainstream" changes from time to time, because some people just can't ignore the facts they've come across, and so a little more enlightenment creeps into our medieval minds, like it or not ("and yet it moves" - and before anybody sets me straight - I know that the quote is not undisputed - nevertheless, Galilei's unwavering stance changed the prevalent and generally accepted view of the world back in his day).

    Our entire understanding of the universe and its laws is based on theories, all of them full of holes, but still the best approximations to explain what we observe around us. And they keep getting refined as we observe more that doesn't fit in with what we think to understand. Many a good thing has been discarded by the ignorant to only prevail and be vindicated (much) later.

    And let's not fool ourselves - as long as there is oil and gas in the world, and as long as there are obscene profits made by selling it, all competing technologies will be either ridiculed or oppressed or bought up and withheld. That's one reason why "in Japan, but not in America".

    Give it some time, and it will prove itself right or wrong - at least everybody who has seen the experiment agrees that it is repeatable - and that alone is a big achievement. And the effects are not only observed during fractions of a nanosecond, but for hours and hours - so it's only a matter of time until somebody finds out in more detail what's going on.

    Then we will know, and then we can either discard it as another error of science, or pay our respects to those who believe humanity should be able to exist without destroying the very basis of that existence.

  • 77 Edmund Storms June 2, 2008 9:57 PM

    I notice a significant lack of knowledge about what has been discovered in the last 20 years about this subject. Rather than waste your time commenting and speculating about things that have no reality, I suggest you check out www.LENR.org or buy the book "The Science of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction" from World Scientific. Doing a little homework would save everyone time and make the exchange more productive.

  • 78 Stephen June 3, 2008 7:55 AM

    Some people are hopeful that even if this isn't fusion taking place, it could still potentially be useful.

    If it is not fusion taking place here, then it is worthless as an energy source, regardless if there is some other reaction taking place to generate the heat. There is no way that it could generate more energy with a conventional reaction than it takes to create deuterium in the first place. Not even in the ballpark. Deuterium is only found on average in approximately one out of 6,500 H atoms, so even if fusion is actually occurring, I'd be interested to see the actual potential net energy gain. How much energy does it take to get two deuterium isotopes (assuming the least costly source, whatever it may be) and how much energy is released when two deuterium become an He?

  • 79 Frank Znidars9c June 3, 2008 12:11 PM

    My research into cold fusion, with pictures for national labs, is linked below.

    http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/index.html

    enjoy

    Frank Znidarsic

  • 80 Kirk Shanahan June 3, 2008 12:34 PM

    For the record, I have published 3 papers in Thermochimica Acta presenting a conventional (i.e. non-nuclear) explanation of the 'Fleischmann-Pons-Hawkins' effect ('cold fusion' via an electrochemical cell). These papers seem to get lost somehow in the cold fusion promoters reference lists. The first was the explanation as applied to data supplied by E. Storms from his 'cold fusion' experiments. (The manuscript version of my first paper can be found in the LENR library.)
    The second was a response to a derogatory comment by Szpak, et al, on my explanation, where I showed how their paper was fully explained by my explanation. The third was a response to an attempt at rebutting my explanation by E. Storms, in which I answered all points addressed. I have also commented extensively on Arata's prior work, and why it didn't support the nuclear interpretation in sci.physics.fusion.

    I have not looked at the current claims, but I seriously doubt any real effort was made to interpret the experimental results based on _any_ non-nuclear point-of-view. This is based on my experience dealing with the cold fusioneers over several years, and noting their complete lack of willingness to consider viable alternatives, which is of course, the true sign of a pathological believer.

    To Peter Carbonelle: I have edited the Wiki article, and all my comments were subsequently editied out. Wikipedia is an unreliable source if you are seeking the full story.

    Kirk Shanahan {My opinions...noone else's}

  • 81 Prof. Brian Josephson June 3, 2008 5:38 PM

    I have a sense of 'homework not having been done' in regard to Kirk Shanahan's comment above. First of all, a search in the library at lenr.org shows that one of these papers at least, entitled "A Possible Calorimetric Error in Heavy Water Electrolysis on Platinum", published in Thermochim. at Acta, 2002. 387(2): p. 95-101., is listed there, and it can even be downloaded to study in detail!
    Furthermore, a site search on Shanahan's name reveals an extensive discussion of his critique on the site. Readers may decide for themselves, after studying this sequence, whether or not that critique has any validity.

    I gather past 'vanadlism' on the wiki article on CF led to the wiki admin deciding to put protective measures in place. I'm sure there are procedures in place whereby complaints can be made regarding any specific decision.

  • 82 Prof. Brian Josephson June 3, 2008 5:51 PM

    PS: Ed Storms has asked me to pass on his own comment on Shanahan's posting:

    "The papers Shanahan refers to are noted on www.LENR.org and I comment on them in my book. They have not been ignored. Because the process Shanahan has proposed as an explanation has been shown not to apply, the suggestion no longer is considered [relevant]. Unfortunately, Shanahan does not agree with this assessment for reasons he has failed to make understandable."

  • 83 Cormac O'Raifeartaigh June 3, 2008 6:09 PM

    The article above ends with the statement "For now, though, you can form your own opinions about the reliability of cold fusion".
    I profoundly disagree. It is for the experts in this field to decide whether this is good science, or yet another false alarm.
    Specifically, the question will be whether the vast majority of experts are convinced that there is a genuine heating effect, and that this effect can be attributed to a nuclear reaction.
    The alternative is a lot of worthless, opinionated noise on the topic that drowns out informed opinion for some time - exactly what happened in 1989...

  • 84 Edmund Storms June 3, 2008 6:52 PM

    The comment made by Shanahan raises another important issue. When a suggested explanation for cold fusion is debated in numerous e-mails with the person making the suggestion and a paper is published in a scientific journal (Thermo. Acta) explaining why the suggestion does not apply, yet the person not only insists he is right but even accuses people of being closed-minded, what do you do?

  • 85 dml June 3, 2008 10:07 PM

    Tokamak is a cash cow. It's an enormous, never-ending consumer of money and provider of jobs. Projects other than Tokamak will be cancelled simply because cost LESS.

    Look at Brussard's IEC project - it was cheaper than an average hotel and more likely to yield enlightening results in a sensible timeframe than Tokamak. But funding is gone and Mr Brussard is now sadly gone too. The IEC fusor may not have been the final solution, but it was practical to build a test model for peanuts just to find out.

    The Tokamak plan can't be stopped and it will eat the competition's funding and limit progress. If you see it coming down the street munching buildings, run away!

  • 86 Kirk Shanahan June 4, 2008 12:23 PM

    Ed Storms has responded to my comment with two of his own that clearly demonstrate the state of affairs on this issue. He claims to have dealt with my conventional explanation of the excess heat signals, but my publication answering his objections was last and is still unanswered. Reading our comments here will not help anyone to decide which is more likely. I highly recommend the reader takes Brian Josephson's advice and does the homework. The information is out there.

  • 87 Martin Cordoba June 5, 2008 8:09 AM

    Tough the cold fusion can generate electricity through the heating of water and moving fans with its evaporation, it didn't solve anything but the present necesities of our energy problems. So, then the next step will be "supplying water to the cold fusion stations". We must work in a new way to generate power, if we want to our technologies work outside of our home world "Earth". This only can be done when we can assure the utilization of energies present in all over the universe as we know.
    Besides the discovery of a "cold fusion" energy process could solve the majors needs for energy at the present time, and the side effects of their use, we cannot overstand the future and the "wisheable" needs and uses of the energy.

    .... "We think, sense, felt, consider our selves as human as we are, but we grow up like bacteria. Then, will a thousands world can hold ourselves?"

    Sorry for my english

    Martin Cordoba
    me_cordoba@hotmail.com

  • 88 picierre51 June 5, 2008 11:34 AM

    did prof Arata reveal presence of 4He?

  • 89 albert alberts June 5, 2008 12:35 PM

    In 1911 Haber detected a few ml of ammonia from air nitrogen/hydrogen.The nitrate-mines in Chili were closed within one day.1914 the first massive war with nitrate explosives broke out.
    in 1938 Lise Meitner split a few mg of uranium. 1942 Chicago Fermi found the chain reaction and 1945 Hiroshima and 1946 Savannah River plant.
    In 1955 a student of Ziegler found 2 grams of polytheen in an oven. 1958 the production of synthetic rubber exceeded the one of natural rubber.
    Now this Arata-fellow has a microliter of helium-4 from deuterium. Hmm.
    By the way: I have an open invitation to try and develop this Arata-effect to an Arata process in a state-of-the-art laboratory. It will cost about 50-100 000 for the first year.Searching for sponsors.
    First come, first served!
    alberthappyalberts@hotmail.com, Amsterdam NL.

  • 90 carol harrison June 5, 2008 2:32 PM

    On the issue of the heat/no heat result, what amazes me about the result demonstrated is the He4 signature, regardless of the excess heat debate. On the issue of building one of something (big) that consumes all funding resources, or many of smaller promising things something else that allows alternative ideas and approaches, common sense says the best approach nature has always taken is to diversify to guarantee survival. Even NASA has taken this approach in funding many smaller programs than just one huge program for the money they have. The future is in the small, in many ways. Dinosaurs found that out the hard way.

  • 91 josephprymak June 11, 2008 7:28 PM

    Surely there are some kinds of reactions that we have not discovered yet. Thanks to the true scientists that are researching and doing experiments to find new sources for heat and energy. Thank you, excellent work.

    As for all the negative reaction against two words: cold and fusion.
    Take a logic course and learn more about definitions. Name the undiscovered and unexplained reactions whatever, for now, until more is known, or until some popular and common name is eventually used. Get over worries about vague definitions for real, natural phenomena.

  • 92 Frank Gaertner June 14, 2008 10:43 PM

    Watch the price of palladium for a clue. It made a big jump yesterday, whereas gold and platinum remained flat. Arata is no snake-oil scientist. I'd say something is about to pop.

  • 93 Jon Cartwright June 17, 2008 8:20 AM

    Thanks for all your comments.

    See the recent update on this post.

    Jon Cartwright

  • 94 kinggreg1976 July 2, 2008 8:03 PM

    Just agreeing with some...If it is a reaction that releases stored energy in nucleii that would not otherwise be accessible, and it puts out more energy than you have to put into it...that's enough. Bye-bye Exxon!
    A reminder: You can bet some of the negative posts on here are actually people working AGAINST developing alternative energies...especially one they can't make money from.
    So, don't look at all of the naysayers as defeatists or glass-half-empty guys. They may be getting paid to bad-mouth this research.

  • 95 Darian Lance Smith July 3, 2008 8:02 PM

    Forget theory entirely!!!!!!! We'll figure that out later!
    If it is safe, If it is easy to build, If it produces enough cheap energy to heat and cool my house, and run my car, somebody show me how. It looks like thousands are getting close to this in their garages already, by the looks of the demos on youtube. Let's do it and **** the powers that be!! It looks like they can't stop it now!!!!
    Who will help mankind? Who will be the one who casts fame and fortune into the dump heap of the past?
    Who will free us from the powermongers and fearmongers of the world?
    Truly decentralized clean energy production will truly revolutionize and free the human race beyond imagination.

  • 96 Tom Kirk July 13, 2008 6:56 PM

    The problem that everyone is having is that fusion of 2 deuterium atoms into one helium atom creates a tritium atom and frees a neutron, but the "cold fusion" phenomenon does not. So physicists are correct to be extremely skeptical. However, those same physicists should not be questioning valid evidence that something is happening. Excess heat is reproducible in some experiments, and that is evidence that warrants examination, not ridicule. Ignoring evidence is a cardinal sin in science; the scientific method must take you wherever it leads. The bottom line is that both sides are correct in this situation. The classic fusion event is not happening. Yet, something very profound is. The explanation is that the classic Pons-Fleischman event is actually Lithium providing 2 mass units to Deuterium, which creates a Helium atom. This event does not create any neutrons or tritium. It is really unfortunate that physicists cannot see this, or they might make much faster progress, and eliminate much of the squabbling. I have been an engineer and theoretical physicist for the past 35 years.

  • 97 Paul July 13, 2008 10:48 PM

    Excellent review of current science research problems with pathological science.

    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/JosephsonBpathologic.pdf

  • 98 Japan July 17, 2008 10:58 AM

    Excellent write up, very interesting read!

  • 99 Gerry July 19, 2008 4:28 AM

    Can anyone tell me what is wrong with spending a couple of billion dollars finitely researching whether or not cold fusion could be the answer to almost ALL of the nations current energy problems. Yes 2, 5 or 10 billion. That would represent a tiny portion of the money we spend trying to ensure that we have a good grip on the worlds natural oil reserves. Oil imports ammount to 7 billion a year, but the D.O.E. won't devote a 100 million to CF technology - a drop in the ocean in that regard. So what if its determined to be all an illusion - is winning the war in Iraq or Afganistan any more of a certainty - yet the trillion dollars spent in that regard is certainly a reality. A child would say that a positive outcome would be worth the research funding. The U.S. economy would fall to it't knees without the tax revenue gained from big oil spending. Scientists would cringe at the thought of spending years of research and funding on hot nuclear tech. Where would the government recover the tax revenue from the sale of gas? What substitute revenue stream could account for the current tax revenue we gain. It is actually considered a national security issue that we do not allow our economy to suffer an excessive blow that would result from the abandonment of taxes on oil, because it would cripple the country, even if it happened over a 10-15 year fazeout period. It is believed to be vital that we continue to generate enough tax money from oil derived sales. This has nothing to do with oil lobbists or conspiracy theories. Does anyone believe that we could find another way to generate this much needed tax revenue? There is nothing left to place a tax on my friends. We even have a tax on death (death tax). This is a simple fact. The U.S. will never show leadership with Cold Fusion advancement. The budget wouldn't add up if you take away vital tax dollars associated with oil and oil derived sales of petroleum. Japan, China, India or any other country with more pressure on their leadership to generate a solution to their massively over-burdened energy requirements will lead in this initiative, but it's a shame that the U.S has become the follower of other nations. We will some day play catch up in the CF endeavour. We will be big producers of Ceetol, Biodiesel, Wind, Solar, but never a technology that could solve massive energy requirements in one blow. It would cripple our economy, and we are doing a damn good of that without any help.

  • 100 Sam Bernstein July 22, 2008 10:39 AM

    ok, this is going to sound strange to all non-quantum people. I've thought long and hard about cold fusion and could only come up with one way to do it: Cool down your D-T soup into a boise-einstein condensate, while all of your electrons have formed an S orbital, somehow alienate your electron cloud (read, bombardment with positrons?) and simultaneously crush the B-E condensate, causing the nuclei to fuse. I don't know how practical this would be as the only feeasible way of getting a B-E condensate would probably be lasor evaporative technique, and then you probably only have 3-4 nuclei in the condensate anyway. I think that Cold Fusion will be possible at some point, but we need to focus on alienating the electrons. . . probably through some form of super-conductivity + other principal. Has anybody used pertibation theory to model D2-D2 fusion on a super-computer, searching for possible intermediate orbital configurations? It would seem that modeling D2+D2+x = D2D2Y+MeV etc. would at least give us some idea of what the intermediate orbitals should look like, and if they happen to look like some sort of Pd structure . . . then we know we're on the right track

  • 101 Alessandro Carniel July 22, 2008 12:09 PM

    Electron capture for nuclear transmutation
    Allen Widom at Northeastern University Boston and Lewis Larsen of Lattice Energy have recently proposed a mechanism that could account for a wide range of fusion and transmutation reactions, electron capture by protons or deuterons ; this involve weak force interaction
    Also can explain some missing neutron emission.

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